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...and Lauryn, Bahamadia, MC Lyte, Queen Latifah or Ladybug Mecca?

yeah india irie but you know who Jay Dee is and you don't consider "Motown Philly" to the greatest hip hop jam of all time

yeah india irie but you know who Jay Dee is and you don't consider "Motown Philly" to the greatest hip hop jam of all time

Ok, but I'm not understanding what your point is. I wasn't sounding like I was upping headwrap-rap overy grime or anything, was I?

Ahhh, how I hate to see women discredited as hip hop heads all together. Especially being a head myself, and a thorough one at that. Yeah, a whole lot of women are groupies, shit, a whole lot of women that get close to hip hop really fuck it up before they can even really touch it. I agree with what Fikshen was saying about actaul significant female emcees very much lacking in numbers if they even exist realisticly at all. But how many female emcees really get close enough to the lime-light to be recognised? The game is over powered by males but, women still definately influence hip hop culture. The women, especially "video girls" have to be externally sexual/sexy to even be seen and in turn, the men are more masculine, a lot of times more-so than men in any other kind of music. When sexuality is over exaggerated I think it's hard for real talent to come up, not be intimidated and have a real chance to be versitile, and true. We can't be censuring the women entirely though, and I feel like there are other things to be acknowledging, more-so with the game than the women.

I'm gonna say this for the last time. I don't know who jay dee was. I knew the groups he produced. I grew up most of my youth in manhattan and queens. I spent most of my time in Harlem and Jamaica queens. During that time period, I listened to everything from juan luis guerra to SWV to Onyx.

Because I don't know Jay dee, Doesn't mean I don't know other hip hop artists or groups or that I am somehow fake.

Me and my friends we grew up listening to 2pac and bone thugs n harmony. We weren't analyzing hip hop like "wow this dude said some crazy shit", we were listening to hip hop because we could relate our struggle with hip hop.

We weren't so much concerned with hip hop as a music but as a music we could relate to, a music that could be a soundtrack to our lives. We were trying to "make it", we were trying to get the fuck out of a fucked up living situation, and once we do leave that fucked up living situation, we were trying to make sense of the world once we made it out of the "hood" and until this day, our struggle is to have a better life than what we had before.

My mind isn't on hip hop, hip hop has us in mind. I'm not here trying to be some groupie for hip hop like alot of these back packers, i'm about trying to progress and learn about bigger things than hip hop...There are bigger issues that hip hop touches on than just "Jay dee's verse on blank record".

In conclusion, Me and my generation from new york, we weren't hip hop because it was the cool thing to listen to, we were hip hop because it was ingraved into us from the day we came out the womb and saw violence and crime being a part of everyday reality. We were trying to make sense of this fucked up world, and hip hop was our escape, our education, and our drug. Now I no longer live in the "hood", My mind is focused on bigger issues and bigger things. It's called evolution...FOr me to still buy hip hop albums and analyze lyrics would be for me to go back to the age of 14. I am not 14 years old anymore, Hip hop is always gonna be special to me, but people move the fuck on.